olqe考试及复习的心得 on olqe test and preparation
自从上篇写过报名olqe时候可能遭遇的状况之后,现在似乎是稍微记录一下考试的时候可能遭遇的状况了。不过本人并非辅导机构也并非考试组织,所知有限,以下内容仅供参考,不能依其照办。
In my last post I wrote about some issues I ran into while applying to sit the OLQE. Now that I have taken it, let me follow up with my experience on preparing and taking the test (just my personal experience, could not be relied upon in any way).
香港的olqe辅导机构在2020年的时候从律师会的网站看一共有三家,我挑了最便宜的p家,因为是没得报销的。跟国内司考的辅导机构 甚至barbri 比简直天价,不过这个考的人少,上辅导机构的人似乎更少,所以贵一点也是可以理解的。目测考场上每年必考的head 1和6大概200来号人,其他大概100以内。今年因为疫情所有上课都在线上,星期一到五每天一门,晚上六点半到八点半,大概人多的时候十来号,人少的时候只有四五个。虽然大家确实都很忙,但上课的人实在太少,也许大家都是线下在家听?从过往经验来看其实线上跟着听效率是最高的,线下自己再听可能两个小时的内容三个小时才能听完(因为往往会被别的事情打断,即便没什么要紧事),最后反而会慢于原定进度。
There were three preparation courses listed on HK law society website in 2020. After checking I chose the most affordable one (PK), but it turned out to be pretty good. It’s just that they charge way more than Barbri and other law qualification preparation courses, probably due to the small number of people taking this test each year. From a glance in the test site it seemed that around 200 people were taking heads 1 and 6, and less than 100 taking the other heads respectively. The course was online and streaming in real-time, from 630 to 830 pm, each weekday on one head. There were usually 10+ people online for heads 1 and 6, and around 5 for the other heads. I felt like it was most helpful if you could sit through the courses real time; usually it took more time to listen to the downloaded audio. Something would always interrupt.
上课的内容是讲义加习题,最好是上课之前把要讲的内容先看一遍再把要讲的题刷一下。发来学习资料的时候也是分为讲义册及习题册,但依照科目不同有的科目更注重讲义有的更注重习题,比如内容量较大的head 1讲义的内容比较多,而head 4的accounting和pc就需要讲习题才能搞清楚到底要学什么。不过遗憾的是有的科目习题的内容比较少,特别是上课的时候已经讲掉了一些,复习刷题的时候有些题就会以为是自己很会做,但其实是因为已经听过所以才会做,产生错觉。
The instructor would send you the reading materials and the past exam / self-made questions. Best if you could spend some time to finish the reading and the questions before the course. Some heads like head 1 would have so much to read, and the instructor would spend more time explaining those stuff. Some like head 4 would need to take a look at the actual questions to see what was going on really. It was a pity that there were limited number of questions for some heads, that when the online course used up some, there would be less left for your own practice.
课程从6月底到9月底,上了很久,最后会有一次模考。其实感觉整个复习过程最重要的就是模考,一是能让你清醒地意识到这个考试最可怕的地方,其实是时间不够;二是可以检验学习的水平,实际上这个时候我还没开始刷题(后面请了所有年假用来刷题,反正疫情哪里也去不了),所以学习水平是很烂的。考完了以后会收到老师的评分和评语,对后面调整复习方向很有帮助。后面还会有专门讲解模考答案、去年真题和押题的环节。再往后就是尽量刷题,把习题都刷一遍,就去考试了。
The course would go on from late June to late September. There would be one mock exam for each head, and it was of utmost importance. The mock would give you a real feel of one of the most crucifying features of this exam–that you wouldn’t have enough time to write everything you knew you knew (you knew the issue, knew where to look at, but ran out of time before you could locate the exact phrase in your outline). The mock could also test your knowledge about the law. When I took the mock I haven’t started practicing the questions yet, so the answers were terribly wrong, but this in turn helped pushing me to learn more; the comments could also direct you at your weakness when learning. After the mock the instructor would take time explaining the answers, last year’s test, and gave some lectures on the possible questions in this year’s test. I spent most of my time practicing the questions, and thought it would help if I could at least practice all the questions once.
因为是开卷考试,所以有一个考试的时候好用的outline比较重要(香港好像叫这个是crib)。一开始我以为自己有时间给每科都准备一个,结果光做第一门的outline就花了两三个星期。实际上就是把讲义和习题里感觉有用的部分摘出来精简成最简单的样子。虽然也是学习的过程,但因为来不及就没做了。网上有人卖自己现成的outline的,因为没买不知道好不好用。其他科目我都把讲义或者习题集(head 4)做好索引就带去考场了。
The exam was open book, so better have an outline/crib. I spent 2-3 weeks making my own for head 1, but it took too long so I just made a TOC/index for the reading material / questions for the other heads. Towards the end of my preparation time, I saw people selling their outlines online, but I didn’t buy them so wouldn’t know if those work or not.
考场在一个展览中心,考试过程基本上风平浪静,除了偶尔出现一点不碍事的杂音。我带了钢笔,实际上每次都会用完一管多一点。因为时间不够字也写的龙飞凤舞,但实际上也没什么影响。比较担心的是head 2和head 1,因为感觉很多不会的内容,有些题目也没写完。最简单的是head 6,其实也不用讲那么细,上场把讲义对应内容抄抄就行了。看今年的形势,以后这个科目也不会(不敢?)有大变化。
The exam was in a convention center, but not close to any metro/subway station. I took taxi to and bus+metro back on each test day. You need to write everything longhand, so bring lots of pens–I would use up at least one
fountain pen for each head. I was a little worried about my heads 2 and 1, as there were stuff I was not quite sure of, and I didn’t finish every part of every question. Head 6 was by far the most laid-back one–you basically copy and paste the stuff directly from your study material, and the pass rate was over 90 per cent for 2019. Looking at what was going on in HK, I would say there shouldn’t be too many changes for head 6.
考完以后好好休息了一下,但因为出成绩之前还专门给我们发了邮件说哪天会出成绩,比直接把成绩发出来更让人焦虑。但看到结果之后就没什么了。都过了就可以去申请宣誓,没过的可以就没过的那几门单独再考。
After the exam, I took some time off doing nothing (but still needed to go to work– spent all my annual leave on preparing the test). The law society would actually tell you on which day it would release the result, and this made everything more unsettling than just release the result without notice. If you pass, you can get your paperwork ready for admission; if you failed some of the heads, you should only need to retake those you failed.
Good luck!
More on OLQE: http://www.howchou.com/tag/olqe/
Patrick
如果迟迟等不来Law So补充资料的邮件,是不是说明我提交的资料没啥问题……
howchou
也有可能他们还没来得及反馈给你要补充的材料。。。
iris
您好,我也是今年刚准备申请考试的,PRC law背景的。能多跟您了解考试经验不?感谢
howchou
抱歉,我不是prc law 背景的,考试只是跟着辅导班按部就班,除了写出来的经验外可能没有了。如果你有问题可以直接留言,谢谢
zt
您好!请问方便告知下报的哪家辅导班么?感谢~
howchou
paul
Tiger
請問Paul是否有具體連結?多謝
howchou
https://www.pskent.com/
susu
请问单科通过的话之后是不是就不用再考了?通过的单科成绩有效期是几年呀?谢谢
howchou
应该是的,通过的就不用考了,没过的才需要再考。好像没写单科通过的有效期,建议具体问下律师会
Timmy
请问博主能否加微信请教一些问题?先谢谢啦
Timmy
请问博主,能否加微信请教一些问题,多谢啦~
Lulu
很有用,请问博主是在哪个网站上看到有卖outline啊?谢谢
howchou
过去是在 https://passolqe.com/ 看到的不过现在这个网站好像已经关了
Lulu
谢谢博主这么迅速回答。你身边的小伙伴有人上其他家的辅导班吗?我是在IP learning和Paul Kent家犹豫,上网搜居然很少对比的
howchou
因为一般人只会报其中一家,没上过其他家所以没法对比吧。我看过其他家的材料,肯定是比p家做的工整的,不过价格就更贵。
另外听过paul的录音确定他的英语我可以听懂(好像是英国人,没什么口音),你可以试着找一下其他家的老师听他们讲的如何。
Lulu
有道理啊。看IP learning 说每门课会有一套notes 方便考试时抄,Paul kent是不是只能自己准备?另外历年真题PK会一道道讲答案吗?会有书面答案不?俺们中国考生还是更看重真题答案,嘿嘿
howchou
paul有个讲义,也可以拿来抄,不过可能需要自己整理提炼一下哪些地方适合抄。另外会有一本真题集附带书面答案,上课的时候会讲掉一大部分,后面也可以用来刷题,或者带进考场参考。
Louis Peng
您好,可以留下联系方式吗,也在复习考试
howchou
抱歉,几年前我已经考完了,除了写下来的这些没有其他什么可以分享的了。我用的培训老师是Paul Kent https://www.pskent.com/
Kim
可以卖资料给我不?
Wils
楼主,我看今年P家的培训课程 Head II III IV全都是自学,只能通过email contact,每科只有6节revision class 是可以听的。 请问当年也是这样?效果如何? 好纠结培训机构用哪家,我看内地也有一家做OLQE培训的,不知道这里有没人可以分享下经验。多谢!
有今年考的同伴可以加我微信sonsonth,希望可以建个群一起学习鼓励,太难找到组织了。
howchou
当年不是,所有课都是他教的,虽然III和II他教的比较水(III基本肯定能过)。IV有点难,不知道为啥不教,毕竟大部分都要靠IV(如果是VI不教我可以理解,那个也很简单)。不过确实是做题再错的时候比较有印象。
用Email沟通很正常吧,那么长的题目直接电话沟通很有点复杂吧,除非你上课的时候他讲的那个题目你不懂可以当场问。我只用email沟通过。
内地有家OLQE培训机构还来找过我去教哈哈哈(不知道是不是同一家)。P和其他几家香港的机构都是之前OLQE的出题人。而且用中文学一个全英文的考试会不会影响发挥我不知道,毕竟你本来就要顺便学下英语答题的时候用。
Wils
謝謝博主的迅速回復。我再問了下P家,原來I III IV三科有去年的錄音可以聽,還好不是完全自學。畢竟收費他家確是最便宜了。內地貌似只看到有一家OLQE的培訓機構HJ,教材是書本,沒有講義和模擬考,極有可能是想招攬您的那家。看了您的經驗,似乎模擬考還是比較有幫助。之前在香港上法律課程都是英文授課,突然轉成中文感覺更難入腦。多謝您的意見!
howchou
能帮到就好。I也是只有录音吗?那个比较复杂(不过如果你在香港学过可能还好
Wils
是的, I III IV都只提供去年的錄音,不過9月之後有幾節revision是live sessions. 我也挺怕II的,procedural law平時也完全沒接觸過,以前也沒學過這科,反而III是比較有信心,工作中接觸的多。
Wils
不好意思,打錯了 是II 不是I. Conveyancing有課哈。
Patty
请问可以分享备考资料吗?谢谢~
桃花開了
因爲在律所工作,所以身邊有不少take OLQE考試,三家機構-lex、IP 、PK都有報的,因爲律所會承擔考試費用,所以費用方面沒有太多顧及。比較考試材料后覺得PK是最便宜的也是最差的,資料錯誤較多,更新也不及時,而且感覺近年的課程越來越敷衍,通過率較另外兩個也稍遜(不排除不同人之間的能力差別原因),但是好像報PK的最多,可能因爲便宜吧。